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dbarrow
03-31-2015, 10:53 AM
Is there a way run one or two Behringer S16 digital snake modules with SAC? I'm imagining there would be some additional card required vs. just having Windows driver for the CAT5 jack on a regular network card. If it is possible, how would they be synced and could you adjust the preamp volumes from SAC somehow? I am happy with my currenct setup, but I also own a Behringer X32 that I rent out with other engineers. We were wondering about just connecting the S16 units.

Brent Evans
03-31-2015, 05:42 PM
You have to use an aes50 sound card like the one Lynx has. The problem is control. I think threes a way to do it with midi... Someone has it working (or did) but it's not s great solution.

martiaudio
04-01-2015, 02:43 AM
I've done it. it is the tidiest rig it has to be said and a solid protocol up to 100m stage box away from the control.
Lynx AES16e-50 to get the AES50 protocol running.
You could probably get the gain controlled through midi. But I never bothered*.
you can get used to plan your Gain structure accordingly and use SAC to fine tune as long as you are not clipping. the beauty is that you can adjust and monitor the gain on the stage box itself. that is cool.

Over all it feels more pleasing than a x32.
having said that Midas has released a new Stagebox for M32 looking like S16
( might be easier to Midi control the gain* )
compatible with X32 but it is MIDAS ( S16 ISN'T MIDAS PREAMP LETS BE CLEAR ON THIS !).
More over the X32 processor is the same as the Midas M32.. So it is very confusing.
My take is that the common processor is average quality, The Midas is quality ADDA preamps and Faders, the behringer on the cheap side.

Lets put it differently:
Is it best to choose for sound, practicality:
- SAC system with AES50 and 2xS16 berhringer
or
- Midas M32R and its 32ch Stagebox
?

Although I really like SAC, I'd go with the Midas set up if I could afford it!

Anyway I chose a cheaper and compact option for my own for now and I love it:
A&H Qu24 with the latest firmware 1.7 which is brilliant and SAC inserted on USB to provide me with Ext.Processor or FX like Waves Multiracks but better. a Console in the console. I digress. But i like the fact that I didn't abandoned SAC and it is great with all my plugins and SAC quality ch.strip. ( if you can work with ~10ms latency in thsi config )

dbarrow
04-02-2015, 09:34 AM
Any info on the latency of this setup? I'm very happy with my current RME RayDat setup, but I am intrigued with the s16 setup, since I already have those boxes and it would be just another option in my arsenal.

dbarrow
04-02-2015, 09:38 AM
Does the Lynx card only offer 32 channels of 48khz total, or is it 32 channels of input and 32 channels of output?

martiaudio
04-02-2015, 11:20 AM
i must confess I never felt the need to measure latency with it. No I don't have the S16 so I can't help.
it is 32i/o
where it gets interesting is that it give you access to AES50 and AES3 with 2x HD26 or 16ch AES i/o that goes well with a Lynx Aurora 16 and will deliver 16io DB25 analog. certainly a nice set up for studio.
I can't remember if you can combine the 2x

What youy can I confirm is get 32 in 16 out analg with 2xS16 and use and other 16 outputs digitally with ADAT optical for a P16i Behringer's proprietary Personal Mixer system. so in that sense you use 32io.

TomyN
04-06-2015, 11:06 PM
I'm using one S-16 as input unit with a Motu 2408, and it works fine. Game controll is done using midi and the sac - plugin.

Tomy

operationwhat
04-07-2015, 02:03 PM
Hi Tomy, can you explain the chain? How do you connect and so on.thanx!!!!

TomyN
04-07-2015, 02:24 PM
Hi,

it's quite simple

The two ADAT outs of the S-16 connect to two ADAT ins of the motu 2408-II
Motu 2408-II connects via 'Audiowire' to PCI424 in the SAC host

The S-16 runs 48k and is defined clock-master


A small network to midi sever runs also on the SAC host, feeding a cheap usb - midi converter. The output of the midi interface is connected to (a RGC and via through to) S-16 midi in.

My plug-in in SAC allows controll and recall of the gains of the S-16 (and via the RGC also of the ADA 8000) and of the phantom power.

Outputs are provided by the 2408-II (6 + headphone) and by the ADA 8000 (8 outs).

Tomy

Wurst Werner
04-13-2015, 06:48 AM
Kneel before Rolf-->

http://appsys.ch/en/8-products/19-mbr-64

Gain over Midi might be possible. Page 7-->

http://www.behringer.com/assets/S16_M_EN.pdf

TomyN
04-13-2015, 10:51 AM
Gain over midi is possible :-)

soundchicken
04-13-2015, 02:40 PM
About time somebody did this!

Any clue on a release date or price Wurst?

averombri
04-14-2015, 04:07 AM
Redneck QT:that means i can use my ethernet onboard connection using a virtual Dante port conected to a pair of S16? i'm dreaming?

Wurst Werner
04-14-2015, 04:28 AM
Redneck QT:that means i can use my ethernet onboard connection using a virtual Dante port conected to a pair of S16? i'm dreaming?

Yes, but no:-)
Technically it will work, but the DANTE virtual soundcard is not low latency, therefore not a good choice for a SAC rig.
Better get a decicated PCIe card. Either ADAT, MADI, or DANTE.

mojogil
04-14-2015, 04:43 AM
Any info on the USB port? If I were a betting man I would wager a 32 channel max USB interface.

Wurst Werner
04-14-2015, 04:54 AM
Any info on the USB port? If I were a betting man I would wager a 32 channel max USB interface.

My guess would be connection to a routing software, or just a port for firmware updates. But that's only a guess. Maybe someone who attends to the PLS fair could pay the Syntax booth a visit.

averombri
04-14-2015, 05:58 AM
and an AES50 card has high latency too?

Wurst Werner
04-14-2015, 06:08 AM
and an AES50 card has high latency too?

PCIe cards are in general faster than USB, Firewire and DANTE virtual. The Lynx AES50 PCIe card is really fast. But why not go with your actual setup?
S16-->Multibridge-->ADAT-->SAC

BTW: Maybe wait till end of may before buying new hardware.
I heard there is something cooking:cool:

Wurst Werner
04-15-2015, 02:33 AM
Any clue on a release date or price Wurst?

About 3.000,- Euro plus Tax. Available not before Mid 2015...

averombri
04-15-2015, 12:44 PM
It is cool,but two S16 and a Multibridge is very expensive for me...

Wurst Werner
04-15-2015, 12:54 PM
It is cool,but two S16 and a Multibridge is very expensive for me...
I'm with you, at this price point it does not make sense. I know, there is a different solution on the way. But I don't know it's price point yet. In a couple of weeks we will be wiser...

martiaudio
04-20-2015, 09:00 AM
just buy a Lynx AES16e-50, and the M32 stagebox instead of S16s.
and off you go.
Best SAC system to built fo my opinion and best sound too with real Midas preamps.
Bite the bullet with the lynx pcie and it is straight forward after that:
Stagebox, cat5 -5e 6 6e and that is it!

averombri
04-22-2015, 04:45 AM
Impatientely waiting Wurst ;)...

dbarrow
04-22-2015, 07:54 AM
just buy a Lynx AES16e-50, and the M32 stagebox instead of S16s.
and off you go.
Best SAC system to built fo my opinion and best sound too with real Midas preamps.
Bite the bullet with the lynx pcie and it is straight forward after that:
Stagebox, cat5 -5e 6 6e and that is it!

But it's only 16 channels? That won't do me much good. Do they have a card with more channels? My 32in/32/out setup with Focusrite converters works very well. If I was going to splurge, I might consider some sort of MADI setup.

Wurst Werner
04-22-2015, 09:00 AM
Impatientely waiting Wurst ;)...

Me too:cool:

Wink0r
04-22-2015, 09:10 AM
From the Lynx page: http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=16


AES16e-50 - AES16e with 32 channels of AES50 I/O plus sixteen channels of sample rate conversion

The thing I don't see is a CAT5 connector. It is mentioned on the page but the port or an adapter/daughter card with port is not shown. Does it possibly use the computer's WLAN port?

HapHazzard
04-22-2015, 03:16 PM
Howdy,

AES16e50 has a RJ45 mounted on the board that is a patch point to the RJ45 bracket.

Hap

averombri
04-24-2015, 01:31 PM
I watched some stuff out in Beh**** web...