Shades...

[earthpig]

I was just wondering if its possible for a user to create shades for sawstudio?

[AudioAstronomer]

http://www.sawstudiouser.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136

I have been working on one myself. So far I have a pretty good handle on it. There is A LOT more than I thought there was to change... And it is very hard to do this peice by peice while keeping the entire picture in your head. Im still chuggin along though :) I got some veyr nifty meters and faders happening... and Im thinking whether I want to make the whole "3d" thing still happening or not.

I think sawstudio would look very nice with that flat look like tracktion or energyXT or ableton live. In fact I would probabaly become more comfortable with it....

I guess I worry too much about what the community would think? Bah screw you all. It's gonna be flat. lol

[mghtx]

I actually like the 'waterworld' shade if it wasn't for the faders.

I'm looking into this whole "make your own" thing. But I've gotten so used to the standard shade while using the demo that it's grown on me.

Oh.....Traction is UGLY! :D

[AudioAstronomer]

After about 7 straight hours of work.. I can say this is very hard stuff... will be done tommorow :) Still not even 50% done yet! Heck, I havent even made it to the bloody channel strips yet... YIKES!

[Bob L]

There is a little bit involved in the graphics and all the components needed to put SAWStudio on the screen. :)

Many have made Shades for themselves, all excited to change SAWStudio around to look like some of their other familiar software... in many cases, after all the work, a week or so later they wrote me to tell me they went back to my designs and felt that SAWStudio just wasn't the same with their bland look.

Each to his own I guess... but for me... the plain grey look of many of todays software makes me feel very uncomfortable and dissatisfied with the products. They look and feel like toys, in my opinion.

I love the idea of emulating the look and feel of the physical gear we are replacing... I love the products that have done an amazing job of putting almost photograh images onscreen of the gear they are emulating. Like the Native Instruments B4 plugin... etc.

I decided not to go that far, because I was not duplicating any peice of gear that physically existed in full, but I still feel the depth of the buttons looking like they are pressed in or the beauty of Jeanne's more artful Contemporary Shade design are as much a part of the SAWStudio experience as the sound and the performance.

Bob L

[Yura]

After about 7 straight hours of work.. I can say this is very hard stuff.


:) and what had I said before!
hope we change by our shades when finish them.
or maybe with its parts.

[AudioAstronomer]

There is a little bit involved in the graphics and all the components needed to put SAWStudio on the screen. :)

Many have made Shades for themselves, all excited to change SAWStudio around to look like some of their other familiar software... in many cases, after all the work, a week or so later they wrote me to tell me they went back to my designs and felt that SAWStudio just wasn't the same with their bland look.

Each to his own I guess... but for me... the plain grey look of many of todays software makes me feel very uncomfortable and dissatisfied with the products. They look and feel like toys, in my opinion.

I love the idea of emulating the look and feel of the physical gear we are replacing... I love the products that have done an amazing job of putting almost photograh images onscreen of the gear they are emulating. Like the Native Instruments B4 plugin... etc.

I decided not to go that far, because I was not duplicating any peice of gear that physically existed in full, but I still feel the depth of the buttons looking like they are pressed in or the beauty of Jeanne's more artful Contemporary Shade design are as much a part of the SAWStudio experience as the sound and the performance.

Bob L

Very true :) Ther are many who feel other software has a more mature look and Saw looks like a "toy". Personally, though saw as grown on me incredibly, I prefer the look of "modern" designs ala tracktion, energyXT, ableton Live. And Im working to emulate that design as I write this :) For now just making a very base shade that I can later build upon easily with new ideas. Ive made about 10 skins for samplitude I plan on transfering over soon as well... for those who like the "nuendo/samplitude" look.

And honestly, I dont think anyone will like my shade heh... most people dont even like the UI of the softwares I mentioned so eh.. I like it, and it's well worth it :) After 1000's of hours behind tracktion (the only software Ive used every single day since i bought it, along now with Saw)... I feel a bit awkward without that look. Ive finished everything but the channel strips so far, and I REALLY love it... The channel strips are gonna take me at least 2x the time of doing everything else.

So hopefully I should have this first incarnation done ala Tracktion. Then I will have the basic building blocks necassary to build much more graphically complex shades with much more depth. I have already started taking pictures of an SSL 9000j to try and emulate later ;) Have all the basic parts done.

I thank you very much for making this accessible within reason for us to make our own designs Bob. Very very cool, and great thinking :)

p.s. I know this is a very radical request and would suck up an incredible amount of your time.... Any plan to support XML for UI design anytime... ever? Or similiar scripting for UI object placement and handling? :)

[AudioAstronomer]

There are now times when I wish I had the RML Labs logo on a transparent background :)

Ive made slightly adjustments to make the metering readout more accurate via testing with white and pink noises and adjusting the pixels and such accordingly... so tiring :) Especially when gimp has this crazy problem with anchored layers while trying to use subtractive masks... and this eerie fondess for the Tahoma Font... which I get tons of debug screens tell ing me doesnt exist, even when I didnt select it! Bugzilla here I come!

[TotalSonic]

Robert -
Looking forward to checking out your Shade when you've finished it!

Bob -
Have you ever thought of making the Contemporary shade as the default for the demo?? It happens to be my favorite shade - but it also seems to have gotten a more positive response from a wider base of users that I have talked to than the current Vintage default - and for people basing their initial first impression of SAW on the gui it might actually aid in sales.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[AudioAstronomer]

Robert -
Looking forward to checking out your Shade when you've finished it!


I am too! I just relized I used Arial for half of it and Sans for the other half... now I gotta go back and redo it all to Arial (which i wha tI used for the stuff hard to redo)....

I wish I had control over the color in the main MT area, and could color the timeline bar as well... :-\ The skin looks kinda... "tacked on" with those 2 items still intact. I will figure it out tho :)

I still ned to pick a fader and pan style as well, and then conjur those up with the mighty bezier tool. Right now I wish I had bloody SoftImage XSI cd so I could install it and do a fancy-schancy 3d fader... But alas I do not. Ill have to go over to my brothers to do that... I may just go with a generic flat fader.. would fit nicely. These Z-module's are going to give me the headache of a lifetime...

Oh wait I see how to change the timeline.... gggrrrrreeatt!! Now to figure out this MT main background... Maybe you can let me know if this is changable Bob, before I go break my back to figure it out (or stumble upon it in a drunken stupor)

[mghtx]

I feel the contemorary shade has too much black in it. But Steve, if you say your'e seeing positive responses from it then I'll show it off to others. I haven't been showing the shades aspect of SAW very much.

I have the Sonar 3 demo and it has alot of very cool shades in it. But those shades don't help it sound like SAW.

I like the 3d look....a mixer should look like a mixer and so on. I can't stand the flat look of some of the apps out there. I used to really like the mixer in Cubase SX but it takes up WAY too much screen real estate. With SAW one can see 5 times as many channels on screen than with other apps. And I think SAW has the best looking (and functioning) meters of any other program.

[Shawn]

Pewter and Contemporary are my favorites, and the Original Vintage is cool as well, I also like Dave Hayes' Contemporary with the older style faders.

I wish there was a "Vintage Pewter" shade, with the cool looking font from the Original Vintage added to the Pewter shade. :)

[Yura]

Bob -
Have you ever thought of making the Contemporary shade as the default for the demo??
Best regards,
Steve Berson

here we have a saying: "on cloth meet - on wit accompany".

because of this, it seems to me that all SAWERS here are the unique about the one uniting zest: to NOT follow a saying "on cloth meet - on wit accompany". you ask, why?

first, frankly, I'v met no one person who seid good words about SAW's buttons (vintage)...
second, here are those who think first of the "wit" of "something" they met.
And it's, by the way, very hard to overcome, I mean the cloth's weight.
The situation is: the neat tool is made. but It's shell was got some "strange" for a masses. Since so, the SAW works like filter to those who filters the wit of the creation first, with no compromises. we have an example where the exception confirms the rule.

due to absurdness of masse's instincts ("we see it's strange looking, so it's warranty it's strange working"), the once triviality changigng of the appearance may resound of changing
of global reaction of the mass (if this costs of). as Steve said,
to change the main cloth to Contemporary... in all reviews, magazines and everywhere SS will look as a "quite" different program for all... it's maybe hard to say what will changes...
but... instincts...

[mghtx]

Yura....so you're saying looks DO matter. Right?

I've been on one blind date in my life. The girl was great in every way except she was UGLY. :p I knew from the first second that there was no way I was gonna stay with that. I couldn't change her shade. :D

But what's wrong with Saw's buttons? I like 'em. (Vintage)

[TotalSonic]

I feel the contemorary shade has too much black in it. .
not to me -
Black is beautiful.
& black is cool!

Just ask Johnny Cash (if you've got a line to heaven) or James Brown.

:)

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[mghtx]

Oh I agree.....Black IS cool. You should see my wife's black Taylor.....a 510 model from the early '80's.

But I don't like the top of the MT in Contemporary. But years ago I thought Mustangs were ugly and now I have a '65 Mustang convertable. :D Give it time I quess.

[TotalSonic]

Oh I agree.....Black IS cool. You should see my wife's black Taylor.....a 510 model from the early '80's.

But I don't like the top of the MT in Contemporary. But years ago I thought Mustangs were ugly and now I have a '65 Mustang convertable. :D Give it time I quess.

I LOVE the sound of Taylors! - wish I could afford to pick up one myself now but that will have to wait for a bit.

Nice thing with SAW's Shades options is exactly that- we've got options!

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Naturally Digital]

I decided not to go that far, because I was not duplicating any peice of gear that physically existed in full, but I still feel the depth of the buttons looking like they are pressed in or the beauty of Jeanne's more artful Contemporary Shade design are as much a part of the SAWStudio experience as the sound and the performance.
Bob L

I wholeheartedly agree! Here, for me SAWStudio is a work of art visually. Something that's always up on the screen when I bring people on the 'tour' of the studio. I'm truly thankful for the Contemporary shade (it's my favorite).

Thanks,
Dave.

[canipus]

"I actually like the 'waterworld' shade if it wasn't for the faders."
Mhgtx:

I believe the Count Trafford Graphic Arts version of the Waterworlds shade has real square fader knobs. They took all the bubbles out and left the blue and yellow design as straight 3D graphics and then added the real fader knobs. If you wanted the bubbles then you're out of luck.
David has them on his web site.

[Bob L]

The main reason why I do not choose the Contemporary shade for the default, is that, in my opinion, while artfully beautiful, it is more confusing for the first time look at the SAWStudio interface. The complexity of the channel modules is extra confusing to pick out each detail for someone not familiar with what they are looking at. :)

The Vintage is simple and clear and easy to start to become familiar with all the controls. (I know.... I did'nt use straight fonts... oh well, call it artistic license... after all, it is my thousands of hours invested in the creation to begin with).

But here we go again... as always, the one thing these forum debates are guarenteed to show is that everyone has their own opinion of what's better or prettier, etc.

As you see already in this short debate, there are discrepencies about which shade each likes better... now put yourself in my position and try to please the masses... its actually pretty impossible to please the masses... that's one thing I learned over the last 12 years.:)

So, the choice solution for me is to first please myself... have fun with what I am doing and create something that I enjoy and like to work with on a daily basis... and then hope that enough others will find it to their liking well enough to jump on board.:)

The idea of the shades was to give some options for different people's tastes, but I feel that there are other things more important to the usefullness of the software that Jeanne and I should spend our time on than just creating hundreds of shades. Those trying to create shades here are learning how much effort it is.

Windows did that, in my opinion, with all the effects and menu fading and a million themes and little animated wizards that talk to you and so forth, and that time could have definitely been better spent working on audio and video driver models and newer faster disk access routines, in my opinion.

And besides, have you ever noticed the mess that most people make of their Windows desktop.:D

Bob L

[canipus]

"With SAW one can see 5 times as many channels on screen than with other apps."

Really?

I'm evaluating version 7 of Samplitude which I'm close to settling on and it comes with the new full screen multitrack mixer as an option and on my monitor I can see 38 samplitude channels of the console on one screen with access contol to all channel features, aux pan fade eq inserts plugins etc.

So you're saying with SAW you could get 5 x that or nearly 200 channels (assuming there were 200 channels available)? Exactly how many channels on your screen can you see at once?
Maybe I've got my SAW views or display resolution set up all wrong?
How are you doing this?

[Bob L]

Robert,

The MT and certain other background areas are Windows Brushes... sorry, they are not part of the graphics bitmap library and cannot be changed without recompiling the program.

Believe it or not, there are many buried issues I discovered along the way with using the background tiled textured brushes under certain window repainting conditions that actually cause Windows to stop my threads... in the case of the MT background, I was forced to go back to a solid brush to attain the low buffer latency without glitching during F-Key switching.

Perhaps someday that may change, but for now... no dice. :)

Bob L

[canipus]

"its actually pretty impossible to please the masses... "

Bob

I was under the impression that most companies do for the most part manage or at least attempt to please the masses for the products which is how they achieve mass markets. They instructl their marketing departments to perform strategic marketing analysis' to determine if their product portfolio has a wide suitability and consumer appeal.
While this may be deemed to be a function of mase consumer products like cereal and soap it is also partly true of specialist technology products like Steinberg and Magix. Of course there are many ways in which having done that analysis you can still fail to please your customers. Steinberg is an example of how having put in the features the market wants some of them don't work - which is sort of ironic when you think about it.

[AudioAstronomer]

Robert,

The MT and certain other background areas are Windows Brushes... sorry, they are not part of the graphics bitmap library and cannot be changed without recompiling the program.

Believe it or not, there are many buried issues I discovered along the way with using the background tiled textured brushes under certain window repainting conditions that actually cause Windows to stop my threads... in the case of the MT background, I was forced to go back to a solid brush to attain the low buffer latency without glitching during F-Key switching.

Perhaps someday that may change, but for now... no dice. :)

Bob L

Maybe a hexadecimal string in your resource file (xxx.shd) to determine the color the MT background? If it's not present, it defaults to grey... This for all the "determined" colors in saw? :) Ive actually just hacked a .shd and recompiled in msvc++ and it works fine... (I dont like that restorator thing)

[Bob L]

Color templates are not anything I'm really interested in right at the moment.

Many things are involved in the choice of color backgrounds, especially where inversing takes place.

I have spent a lot of time balancing backgrounds to give me a certain visual when certain things happen...

Good design, in my opinion, still needs some design decisions to be left in the designers hands. :)

Bob L

[Bob L]

As far as pleasing the masses... impossible (from my experience)... and when you look at Steinberg and Majix products, perhaps they should consider spending some of that market research money on better code and performance research... they are exactly why SAWStudio exists... because I don't like their results... arrived at by among other things, trying to please the masses before actually trying to please themselves first. :)

If I really liked any of these products and was comfortable living in them all day the way I do in SAWStudio, I would certanly never have spent my time (which I consider precious) writing SAWStudio.

I'm sure I could find many other things to do with my personal time after I was through working in these other programs. :)

Bob L

[Carey Langille]

Here Here! Color and Shades are way down on my list.. I really want to see the core engine continue to Improve and Impress. If i want Pretty Shades that change everyday, i will use Winamp. ( YUK!) Thanks for keeping the engine your main focus at this time, as it is the reason i use SAWStudio! Thanks BOB ;)

[AudioAstronomer]

Color templates are not anything I'm really interested in right at the moment.

Many things are involved in the choice of color backgrounds, especially where inversing takes place.

I have spent a lot of time balancing backgrounds to give me a certain visual when certain things happen...

Good design, in my opinion, still needs some design decisions to be left in the designers hands. :)

Bob L

Okie doke :) good enough for me... plenty of other things Im much more interested to see happen anyways...

[Oz Nimbus]

I've mentioned SawStudio on other forums before, and one common theme comes up: "I don't like the look of it." Which kind of surprises me.

My standard answer is "If what's going on onscreen is more important to you than what's coming out of the speakers, what the hell are you doing in this business?"

[AudioAstronomer]

I've mentioned SawStudio on other forums before, and one common theme comes up: "I don't like the look of it." Which kind of surprises me.

My standard answer is "If what's going on onscreen is more important to you than what's coming out of the speakers, what the hell are you doing in this business?"

try to mix a song while staring directly at the sun. let me know how good the mix comes out ;) Concentration, confidence and creative flow. All things a UI must give, and if a person cannot see those things coming to them from a UI they will be discouraged. Very much the same reason people buy certain brands of items just because of the brand.

Honestly, you can do much more with a working knowledge of C/C++/asm/delphi or whatever than you can with saw. Why ya using saw then? ;) The UI of course... you cant be arsed to write all the code to make the PERFECT effect or fade. You use the interface. Then again why do few musicians use modular synthesizers over the more popular VA counterparts? UI of course.

How many metal guitarists are running around with telecasters? Even though you can get an absolute KILLER metal sound with them (and many famous guys use them in the studio)... looks of course. Why do many studios have large mains? Why would a person even comb their hair.. doesnt make your brain work different?

I ramble on, I think my point is made...

[Oz Nimbus]

I think you're extrapolating a little too far there, Robert. Nobody was saying anthing about starting at the sun, or even the interface, for that matter. The complaint was the "look." Not the interface. They're related, but that wasn't the point I was making.

What I'm getting at, is that people listen with thier eyes, and place far too much importance on a colour scheme than what's actually coming out of the speakers. That's my observation, anyway.


Oh and BTW, I'd love to hear an example of a "Killer metal sound" with a Tele. Methinks you and I have an infinite distance of opinion on what makes a great metal guitar sound. :) Slipperman had an awesome thread over on PSW about Heavy Metal guitar tone, and belive me, Teles weren't the first order of business :)

[Yura]

The one thing is, the tend of men not to like SAW's look.
it's a tend of the multitude. not of us.
and the other thing is, Bob dont wants to change its look in principal.
He is realized to ignore this side of product's promotion.
and it's the will of the master.

[AudioAstronomer]

What I'm getting at, is that people listen with thier eyes, and place far too much importance on a colour scheme than what's actually coming out of the speakers. That's my observation, anyway.


I agree. But telling them that doesnt really ever change it does it? :)

[Oz Nimbus]

I agree. But telling them that doesnt really ever change it does it? :)


Actually, it's more like if you mention it, the first thing someone will do is deny it.

[Bob L]

For just as many people that don't like the look... I love the look and I would most likely totally hate the look of their favorite software... so what...

That's called trying to please the masses... exactly my point...

You should also realize how many people have told me that the look and feel is exactly the first thing that attracted them to SAWStudio, because they hated the drab flat look of other products... so it works both ways doesn't it. :)

I'd say this is one of those threads that has burned itself out... or at least it should... I think we've covered everything of relevance here, wouldn't you all agree?

Bob L

[Yura]

wouldn't you all agree?
Bob L

personaly, I agree :) :) :)
I agree that SAWstudio is an exclusive, non commercial product.

[matt]

Well, I agree with Bob. I like, and have always liked the look of SAW because it is in the same theme as most vintage studio gear. If the only complaint that someone can make about audio gear is the look then that becomes a compliment doesn't it. I personally prefer the contemporary look over the vintage, but I have never chosen a piece of gear for it's looks. Good on ya Oz! If you are not listening, try another profession!

[soundtrack2life]

I personally am not fond of the defaut vintage shade. However I have a choice of many to choose from. And I use one that suites my taste. Furthermore my taste change from time to time and I change up on occasion. On a final note how many other DAW's allow you to change the "skin" / "shade" like SAW does? I really love the alternate shades and I am quite happy to work with them.
Joe

[TotalSonic]

Oh and BTW, I'd love to hear an example of a "Killer metal sound" with a Tele. Methinks you and I have an infinite distance of opinion on what makes a great metal guitar sound. :)

fwiw - Tons of Jimmy Page's tracks in the studio for all of Zeppelins stuff was done with a Tele (even though he favored a Les Paul live). But I guess people don't consider Zep metal anymore.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[TotalSonic]

On a final note how many other DAW's allow you to change the "skin" / "shade" like SAW does?


Changeable skins has actually become a popular part of design - i.e. on things like Samplitude & Orion, pretty much the whole gui is tweakable. PT users are still stuck looking at grey and greyer though!

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Yura]

fwiw - Tons of Jimmy Page's tracks
Steve Berson

You are right! since those far times the Telecaster can be in my assotiations with blues, with underground rock, with ... everithing else, including Clapton,
but not with Metall !

but I not love to tell to others what knobs and buttons a like. because of warranty it does not interested anybody.

[Carl G.]

Bob,
Just before you call this thread is 'burned out'
... I have to shout "Thanks Bob and Jeanne"!
The thread got me to change from Pewter (which was my favorite), to Contemporary! (simply looking at the Levelizer video got me to think about it).
Great 3d, great buttons, and whew... a lot of work went into that!

Of course, clearly the fun is in the product... the 'wrapping paper' makes it exciting... but no matter how you package it... the satisfaction of production is the end product... no client is going to walk away with a cruddy product that blows off his customers saying, "Oh but wow, we have to return because that guy has such nice shades" !! :)

Carl G.

[Perry]

As the emebers die away and there is but a slight glow that remains... please allow me to add my thoughts here. :)

It's very easy to look at SAWStudio and think, "I'd like to change this."

And as has already been noted here, one might suggest that if the "look" is a point of major interest then either someone is concentrating on the wrong thing.... the "look" rather than the sound and the functionality and work flow.... or, another explanation is that perhaps there simply aren't enough other "problems" to focus one's attention on! ;)

I believe it is a true statement that people actually like to have "problems" and that if there aren't enough of them they will simply create more. This isn't necessarily a bad thing mind you... it's how we keep interest in life. We "solve" problems. And... if you think about it.... sometimes we create them just so then we can solve them.

For myself at least, I've caught myself thinking of SAWStudio this way at times, wondering how to "change" it. But I've come to realize that *I* don't need to change it. I try to focus my attention on using it and not on changing it... I'll leave the "changing" to Bob! ;)

SAWStudio works really, really well for me as it is and the "look" of it is part of what it is. Again it's easy to think, "Let's change this." But.... mmmmm.... one could think of changing the Mona Lisa as well, but to what end? And why? So that it would look like "other" paintings??? Maybe best to simply enjoy it as it is! :)

As to the look of SAWStudio compared to some of the other apps out there... well, I occassionaly sit in front of some of these "for the masses" audio apps and I find their look, while at first glance perhaps attractive in some ways, in the end far less than satisfying.... and downright boring for the most part.

FWIW, I use the Contemporary shade on a daily basis and while I certainly don't mind the idea of more options in this area, this isn't something of pressing need (for me at least)... it isn't a "problem" that needs solving.

And as I have commented on a few other occassions when the subject of "changing" SAWStudio comes up...

Please don't go changing my favorite DAW into "something else"!!! That would be scary! :eek:

If I sat down to work and SAWStudio were to suddenly look like.. let's say for example... "Digital Performer"? Uhhh... no, let's don't go there. Thoughts like that are down right disturbing! :rolleyes:

Simply my opinions of course.... :)


All the best,

Perry

[AudioAstronomer]

I believe it is a true statement that people actually like to have "problems" and that if there aren't enough of them they will simply create more. This isn't necessarily a bad thing mind you... it's how we keep interest in life. We "solve" problems. And... if you think about it.... sometimes we create them just so then we can solve them.


Oh that is SO me. If I dont have something to solve or something to learn... or order to later solve something, I get very bored. Im sure you can see that ;)

[Oz Nimbus]

fwiw - Tons of Jimmy Page's tracks in the studio for all of Zeppelins stuff was done with a Tele (even though he favored a Les Paul live). But I guess people don't consider Zep metal anymore.

Best regards,
Steve Berson


LMAO!!! No, I never considered Zep to be metal at all. :) Hard Rock, definitley, but not metal. To get an idea of the guitar sounds I work with/am shooting for, go pick up "Heartwork" by Carcass.

BTW, I use the contemporary shade exclusively. Personally, I really dig it.

[AudioAstronomer]

LMAO!!! No, I never considered Zep to be metal at all. :) Hard Rock, definitley, but not metal. To get an idea of the guitar sounds I work with/am shooting for, go pick up "Heartwork" by Carcass.

BTW, I use the contemporary shade exclusively. Personally, I really dig it.

Carcass is one of my favorite bands ;)

you know eighteen visions used a tele in the studio. And likewise so did napalm death in their earlier speed metal days.

I hail from the metal capital of the world, and 98% of the music I haved worked with is crappy metal (bleh), as Im sure you do to. Down here in FL, (tampa/orlando/miami) everyone uses teles for the hard stuff more than you would think... of course not as much as gibson/esp/jackson etc... but still way more than you may want to know hehe :)

Morris sound has some nices tele's they keep around ;) That oughta tell you something.

[mghtx]

Telecasters cut through the mix very well because of the pickups. Humbuckers eat up a wide spectrum of sound. Well, mostly.

Many people still don't realize how clean the AC/DC sound is. But you all know that recording is different than live (especially with metal and rock).

This reminds me......the EVH pickups on his guitars are VERY close in sound to the teles......even though they are humbuckers.

And I quess I'm the only one that doesn't favor the contemporary shade. I'm SO ALONE! :D

[AudioAstronomer]

And I quess I'm the only one that doesn't favor the contemporary shade. I'm SO ALONE! :D

Vintage basic for me :) I dont like contemporary atall :)

[Oz Nimbus]

I think this thread should be renamed "The thread that just won't die!"

:eek:

-0z-

[Perry]

Oh that is SO me. If I dont have something to solve or something to learn... or order to later solve something, I get very bored. Im sure you can see that ;)


LOL!!! Hey... me too. :rolleyes:

Just last night I was putting a new cpu in one of my computers. The thing is I had thought about getting a new motherboard for that one and I *really* wanted to do that, but couldn't really justify it to myself.

So what happened???? Ummmm.... My screwdriver "slipped".. and at the end of the story... there is a new motherboard after all. It was an accident though.. really! :rolleyes:

All the best,

Perry

[AudioAstronomer]

I think this thread should be renamed "The thread that just won't die!"

:eek:

-0z-

Oh we definetly killed the thread. We're just beating it to a pulp like LA's finest. *cough* erm... *clears throat*

Yeah perry, that's how I accumulated so many computers lol :) Oh this motherboard doesnt work as efficiently with XX hard drive.. but this one does... so Ill buy this and this, oh now I have spare parts. Ill make a new computer. OH! In this new computer XX doesnt do XX as I think it could so Ill get more parts and...

Now Im finally satisfied with this toshiba laptop... So I gotta find other things to screw with haha :)

The best part is the things in life you never have to worry about fixing :) Sawstudio that does everything you want; right, your favorite guitar that only gets better the more its messed up, good friends, good food....

Then there's the things that are only fun when you break them :) Keyboards, cable routings, various furniture, anything you can give more power ;), and erm.. tracktion, which is absolutely hilarious to mess with. Darn things allows the most obscene routings that have drove my curiosity to blow more than one speaker... and almost an ear drum lol.

Then again Im just rambling because I made a vocoder out of an old sherman filter-bank and a proco rat... after tearing up an old behringer mixer for some parts haha... really having a blast :)

[AudioAstronomer]

You know.. you always backup your projects. Always always... and I do. All my audio/music projects are backed up on 3 different media.

My saw shade was not.

starting over with much learning having already been done.... *sigh*

[mghtx]

Oh man......I know what that's like. :o

What are the 3 media types you back up to? Just wondering.

Because of you I downloaded the Traction demo.....and it's not for me. It's not bad, but it's no Saw. I also downloaded the MWS demo today and as usual coming from Bob it's very cool. The meters seemed a little slow however.

[AudioAstronomer]

Oh man......I know what that's like. :o

What are the 3 media types you back up to? Just wondering.

Because of you I downloaded the Traction demo.....and it's not for me. It's not bad, but it's no Saw. I also downloaded the MWS demo today and as usual coming from Bob it's very cool. The meters seemed a little slow however.

External harddrive, webserver (that Ive been using for many years, very reliable and they backup weekly), dvd-r.

Sometimes for small projects I will backup to cd as well.

[Bob L]

Not sure what you mean by the meters being slow... don't forget, they are not reading the audio info, but the velocity info, with a slight decay to look more audio like... but in reality they are showing you the note On/Off info... this is different than audio meters.

Bob L

[mghtx]

That's kind of what I fiqured Bob. I'm new to the MIDI world. I was thinking maybe it had to do with the sustaining of the notes. Thanks for the explanation. The MWS is most definitely on my "to get" list.

[Yura]

That's kind of what I fiqured Bob. I'm new to the MIDI world. I was thinking maybe it had to do with the sustaining of the notes. Thanks for the explanation. The MWS is most definitely on my "to get" list.

Haha!
He's still yet just thinking about to buy or not to buy MWS!!!!? PhhhAAA!
imagine to be on your place (LOOL!) I'd buy all of artilleri of SAW but MWS,
MWS as a first! It's a thing i still now not to belive is linked to SS... even with the demo I finished two 30-sec clips fot TV advertisments. I say you, I woner!!!!you thinking with your 300 doll. I am sorry, but MWS must be in list not "to get", it must be in list "to get in two copyes", one for yourself, another for best friend on the birthday!
(to Bob: Bob, sorry, I not such a primitiv and good to extol your products in such of manner for... but when I read such words, my patience comes off!)

sorry, men, If seriously, I realy think so.
:)

P.S. about forget. Bob, its realy situation, where you not enouth save your demo forom using it wholly in commercial things. there is all allowed inside those 40 sec.! Or, maybe I wrong? I mean the short clips, jingles...how it all named on your language, I dont know.

[Yura]

Bay the way, so I'm forgot for what I'm connected now,
I finish my new SHADE. it names Green Castle.
who is interested?

[earthpig]

Im always up for trying out new shades. :)

[mghtx]

Bring forth the Green Castle!

[TotalSonic]

Bay the way, so I'm forgot for what I'm connected now,
I finish my new SHADE. it names Green Castle.
who is interested?

Hey Yura -
Green is my favorite color! - I even had a green cello custom built for me - so a green shade would be cool to check out.

Let me know if you need web space - I'd be glad to make it available for download on my site. David Hayes at http://www.dhayes.com has been making all the user created shades avaliable for download so you might want to contact him also about hosting your shade.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Yura]

Ok now.

I' very glad you'v interested.
I yet moment before has finished it in 2 versions, slightly different.
Exept other, it has a new meter colors and slightly new textures of MT-entrys.

But where I can send them! you guys would give me at last addres of one big box!
by the way, I tries to connect with David Hayes mounths before and it was impossible.
Ok, so I am ready to send it. tell me where to.

[Ben Hall]

Here Here! Color and Shades are way down on my list.. I really want to see the core engine continue to Improve and Impress. If i want Pretty Shades that change everyday, i will use Winamp. ( YUK!) Thanks for keeping the engine your main focus at this time, as it is the reason i use SAWStudio! Thanks BOB ;)

I 2nd the motion. Keep that engine crankin'!

[TotalSonic]

Ok now.

I' very glad you'v interested.
I yet moment before has finished it in 2 versions, slightly different.
Exept other, it has a new meter colors and slightly new textures of MT-entrys.

But where I can send them! you guys would give me at last addres of one big box!
by the way, I tries to connect with David Hayes mounths before and it was impossible.
Ok, so I am ready to send it. tell me where to.

Yura -
I sent you an email with ftp instructions so you can upload it to the totalsonicmedia.com site. Let me know when you're done uploading or if you have any questions. I'll post a link so that we can all check out the "green castle" when it's up

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[Yura]

OK,
I' waiting

[Yura]

I have directed my Castle two days ago....

silence

So what is destiny of my work??? where it's now!

[David Hayes]

I have rounded up a few 3rd party shades on my website. A couple of my own are there too. All are welcome to download....

www.dhayes.com

[mghtx]

Thanks David. I've tried them all out and a couple are my favorites now.

[Yura]

Promised new-looked JMS Hi Res EQ is on my new site now

http://www.angelfire.com/ult/saw/index.html
(a little one yet)

there will be more interesting stuff after time.

[Carlos Mills]

Promised new-looked JMS Hi Res EQ is on my new site now

http://www.angelfire.com/ult/saw/index.html
(a little one yet)

there will be more interesting stuff after time.

Thanks Yura. Very nice job. How can we manage to "install" it?

[Yura]

How can we manage to "install" it?


no broblems.
independently of fact you have the demo or you have registered your demo,
you can replace the file HiResEQ.dll in SAWStudio Native_Plugins subdirectory
with this new one that you had unzipped. the status of registration will remain.

Regargs.

[Carlos Mills]

no broblems.
independently of fact you have the demo or you have registered your demo,
you can replace the file HiResEQ.dll in SAWStudio Native_Plugins subdirectory
with this new one that you had unzipped. the status of registration will remain.

Regargs.

Thanks Yura, for the explanation and for the GUI :)
My copy is registered, since this is the best sounding-transparent-low CPU intensive EQ I have ever used. JMS has great stuff.

Best regards,

Carlos