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Mark Stebbeds
10-12-2006, 01:53 PM
I found this when sniffing around on the internet today, and reminded me of recurring threads on this forum regarding "which one sounds better?"

Ethan Weiner offers his opinion why people claim to hear things that can't be measured.

Talk amongst yourselves.

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html
mikebuzz
10-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Amazing that 4 inches has that much change !!! , I wonder how it came out after treatment ??

LAter
Buzz
DominicPerry
10-12-2006, 02:21 PM
So you really do hear what you think you hear, just not for the reasons you thought! So I'm not mad, but I have wasted a lot of money on kit. :D

Dominic
Mark Stebbeds
10-12-2006, 02:27 PM
Amazing that 4 inches has that much change !!!

That's what she said.
Rabbit
10-12-2006, 02:39 PM
:eek:
Dave Labrecque
10-15-2006, 10:04 PM
Amazing that 4 inches has that much change !!! , I wonder how it came out after treatment ??


Oh, yes, my lady friends are quite enthusiastic. It came out fine, thank you, after the swelling subsided.
Microstudio
10-16-2006, 07:07 AM
I have never heard the difference or should I say I did hear it and it really never changes... only when I move around in the room....;)

Thanks for the link Mark, thats some good reading.

Mix in headphones.... its cheaper and your head is locked to the monitors.
studio-c
10-16-2006, 08:47 AM
the swelling subsided.

Viagra works for that.:D
mikebuzz
10-16-2006, 08:58 AM
I HATE mixing in phones BUT I need to do more checks on them for balance and stereo field reference , Thanks for bringing it up !!!

Later
Buzz
Dave Labrecque
10-16-2006, 07:52 PM
Viagra works for that.:D

LOL! :p
antiClick
10-17-2006, 12:49 AM
I have never heard the difference or should I say I did hear it and it really never changes... only when I move around in the room....;)
Mix in headphones.... its cheaper and your head is locked to the monitors.

The difference is not subtle.
Some months ago we tried to bulk a ProTools mix into 4 inch tape and the difference was absolutely NOT subtle. The 'glue' was really there, easily noticeable by any person. Music sounded less flat and dinamically more enjoyable.

We then recorded the tape machine's output into ProTools again. BUTTT the smothness and dynamics from the tape turned again into digital flatness.

What a surprise! We expected at least to keep some of the tape's soul, but we were wrong.
To us, digital allways sounded digital despite of any magical chain.


cheers!
PD: SonyMDR-V6 headphones are excellent, but just for checks or if your room is a disaster. Monitors seems the only way to mix.
Bob L
10-17-2006, 01:13 AM
We then recorded the tape machine's output into ProTools again. BUTTT the smothness and dynamics from the tape turned again into digital flatness.



Try the same test of recording from the analog tape deck into SAWStudio... and perhaps your opinion of digital might be altered...

I say the problem is not digital vs analog... its floating point vs integer and its how the code is written. :)

Bob L
Mark Stebbeds
10-17-2006, 08:10 AM
The difference is not subtle.
Some months ago we tried to bulk a ProTools mix into 4 inch tape and the difference was absolutely NOT subtle. The 'glue' was really there, easily noticeable by any person. Music sounded less flat and dinamically more enjoyable.

We then recorded the tape machine's output into ProTools again. BUTTT the smothness and dynamics from the tape turned again into digital flatness.



Hmmm...I've had better luck transferring tape into Pro Tools rigs, but I'm using the HD converters, if that's the difference in your set-up.

But whatever your thoughts on analog tape, that is not what the thread or the link to Ethan Winer's article is about....it's about our perception comparing like sounding devices when the differences in room relections at small increments of change are greater than what can be measured in the equipment.

Mark