equaliser et levelizer

[ivanoff]

hello,
where the best place in post fader beetwen levelizer and equaliser :
equaliser before, or after levelizer ?:cool:

and what's the use of the "FXF Res Patches ??

Thanks:)
Ivanoff

[DominicPerry]

Levelizer should always come last in the output chain in Post Fader patch.

The only exception is if you use a dither plug - that should come after the levelizer and you should lower the level of the normalize a little to allow the dither plug to..........dither.

So in answer, EQ first, then Levelizer.

Fnl Res patch point is not used for anything anymore - it's there from the 'old days'.

Dominic

[ivanoff]

thanks a lot Dominic..
Never see such a site where respons are so quick:)
it's super!!!!!
Ivanoff

[sebastiandybing]

The FRP insert is used with the cue sheet generator, http://www.jms-audioware.com/csg.htm + LACE (a mp3 incoder), I think also jon´s
batch plugin.

Sebastian

[Cary B. Cornett]

where the best place in post fader beetwen levelizer and equaliser :
equaliser before, or after levelizer ?:cool: If you are talking about for "mastering" or in an output channel, go with what Dominic said. Likewise if the Levelizer's purpose is "overload protection". For use in input channels in a mix, though, you might go either way, depending on what you are trying to do. Most of the time compression goes after EQ. For vocals, though, sometimes it is more desirable to compress before EQ, especially if you are going to boost the low end.

When deciding, you need to think about whether you want the EQ to affect how the compressor behaves. If you want the compressor to "ignore" the effects of the EQ, then you need to put the compressor first.

[ivanoff]

. For use in input channels in a mix, though, you might go either way, depending on what you are trying to do. Most of the time compression goes after EQ. For vocals, though, sometimes it is more desirable to compress before EQ, especially if you are going to boost the low end.

very interestig , thankivanoff

[Carl G.]

If you are talking about for "mastering" or in an output channel, go with what Dominic said. Likewise if the Levelizer's purpose is "overload protection". For use in input channels in a mix, though, you might go either way, depending on what you are trying to do. Most of the time compression goes after EQ. For vocals, though, sometimes it is more desirable to compress before EQ, especially if you are going to boost the low end.

When deciding, you need to think about whether you want the EQ to affect how the compressor behaves. If you want the compressor to "ignore" the effects of the EQ, then you need to put the compressor first.

Or you could side chain the compressor with an EQ and give the EQ less level in the side chain detection loop - which will tell the compressor to ignore the frequencies you've lowered in the compression detection loop. Unfortunately this cannot be done with the levelizer compression section nor the channel compressor (it's form of built in EQ can ONLY INCREASE the feed back of dialed frequencies... which does just the opposite of what I'm talking about... that's why its current method is fine for De-essing but NOT for Dynamic EQ tayloring).

I WISH the Levelizer compressor section (and channel compressor) had the capability to sidechain the *channel EQ* inside the compressor's detector circuit loop (TOTALLY different than using EQ before or after compressor or as trigger to compressor). Doing so would allow for one AWESOME *Dynamic Equalization* (both positive and negative parameters).... something the current setup doesn't allow. Dynamic compression - properly adjusted can tremendously help the compressed sound breath some fresh air particularly in selected frequencies where you want some extra bite with louder transients or unaffected 'opened up' sound on a final mix down (for instance - on horns or snare drum ... or some starting notes of guitars.... you can get a much better open live sound (while still compressing) when selecting the frequencies in the horn freqs and slightly lowering their detector feedback (with sidechain eq)... same for percussive hits (with a compressor that you say want tighter than 5ms attack... you can do so... but 'de-eq' the detector circuit loop for the drums. This method can also help dynamically pull a vocal out in front of the mix too. Some people use parallel compression (or 'mixed' output) to achieve a near type effect of opening up the compression... a great technique... but still not the same as full positive and negative level adjust of side chaining EQ for dynamic compression.

Currently the only two native plugins I know of that do this "sidechaining EQ" (for both positive and negative detector loop levels) is the JMS compressor(full range), and the Peiter's compressor (low end only).

There are other plugins that can do this... but they are not native (no automation capabilities) so are limited in their total potential use.