Re: OT: monitoring mystery
Individual monitor mixes were invented for these problems.
I believe part of the issue is that there is some sound cancellation happening from the phase differences of the sound coming through the singers body to their ears and the sound coming from the monitors. Horn players tend to have it even rougher as the backwards air pressure from blowing diminishes the ability of the eardrums to vibrate fully, effectively turning down the volume. I threatened to leave a band unless I could be put on the other side of the stage from one particularly loud trumpet player’s monitor many years ago.
Then there is always the “more me” issue.
Re: OT: monitoring mystery
+1 one the "more me" thing. Each performer needs "more me" so they can hear to control their own performance, especially in a mono mix where you ONLY have level to separate things from each other. I'm not sure the phase cancellation thing is important when using monitor wedges. The distance from wedge to ear generally makes of a delay of at least 6 ms, which reduces the cancellation a bit. In-ear mixes would be another matter.
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It wouldn't solve the problem, but why not record what's going on in the room... if only for your own edification and (hopefully) satisfaction? And if you prove to be correct, maybe the female singer will stop arguing with you. Nah, that won't happen. I think your only real option is getting individual mixes for the singers. And then you'll spend your time changing THAT mix at every gig. <LOL>
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Cary, I suppose you’re right about the monitors being too time delayed to make phase an issue, though I don’t know if the speed of sound is different between bone & air. Though, I do think hearing yourself through your body and electronics at the same time does affect your perception of loudness even if phase is not involved.
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Horn players tend to have it even rougher as the backwards air pressure from blowing diminishes the ability of the eardrums to vibrate fully, effectively turning down the volume.
It may be that some of this also happens to singers. I always run separate mixes and even when the band tells me to make them all the same level because they do a lot of harmonies I run a little more of the singers vocal in their wedge. I don't recall ever getting a complaint about the vocal balance once set up.
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I think I have your answer. Go to one microphone!
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Thanks, everyone, for your input. Never occurred to me about physical differences between haring oneself and hearing others in a monitor. They are obviously real, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're playing a role, here. As a result it seems that the idea of equally-mixed-is-best breaking down -- that "more me" is actually better for a singer to judge his/her participation in the vocal blend -- may be true, and something I hadn't considered.
I think I have some good ammunition, here, for talking the others into discrete mixes, again. :cool: