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    I am going through options/feasibility of allowing a mic to muted/unmuted in the FOH mix by a musician onstage. reason is to allow communication via IEMs among musicinas using the same stage mics used FOH.

    Option 1: Have a remote laptop/PC at the mic stand with FOH access - so the ability to mute themselves in the mains.

    Option 2: Use the SAW Control Track to contol scenes in SAC that mute/unmute specific channels in the mains. The Control Track could be midi controlled by stompboxes at the mic stands triggering the mute/unmute scenes. Controlled by something like:

    http://www.midisolutions.com/prodf8.htm

    Option 3: Devise an A/B splitter to route the mic to two different ins into SAC one hot in the mains one not.

    All options have problems - Option 1) giving mixer control to FOH scares me. - Option 2) Wouldnt allow for SAW to be recording the show in the background (as triggering the scenes through the control track would require moving SAW along the timeline). Option 3) Sucks up physical inputs.

    So thats options I have come up with in my brain - just wondering if theres something I have missed.

    Dave
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    Windows 7 on HP Elitebook 8460p laptop, RME Digiface, Presonus Digimax FS Preamps

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    You can assign your inputs to multiple channels in SAC, no need to do an external split.

    It may be possible to do option 1 with scenes without full FOH rights??

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    your option 3-

    momentary DPDT stomp switches at each pertinent mike making a split
    for the normal out to the system and one to the BTB system [when stood on]
    which all link parallel to a single line

    it does require one AD input which
    would then be assigned only to monitors

    and the ability to step on something and speak simultaneously
    [save the bass player jokes...]

    yes
    it's a hardware solution
    but they are simple to build/maintain
    and if included in your stage looming are a minimal
    impact to load in/out

    and most importantly
    they are muso proof as far as your house mix goes...

    i'v seen the switches available commercially
    if you dont have someone willing to construct them

    this is not from my brain

    various designs are in service world wide

    yes it requires a few steps but
    IMWO one or two dedicated BTB mics is a much better solution
    than switching the lead vocal mic line during a performance

    fwiw

    glossary:
    BTB band talk back
    DPDT double pole double throw

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    Ahhhh - lightbulb just went and flickered on -

    linking them into one input eluded me.... a momentary switch removes the need for any indicator light on the stompbox..... and a dedicated talkback channel - allows one player to have a vocal mic muted in their ears but then when the mutee needs to talk to the band ensures they are heard....

    thank you much

    Dave
    Last edited by txshonk; 10-11-2009 at 07:13 PM.
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    We plan to use these in our setup.

    http://www.radialeng.com/re-hotshot-abo.htm

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    it would appear that the switch is push on push off as opposed
    to momentary

    i'd suggest you process the monitor signal in some way
    so it does not sound like the FOH line
    [pitch shift, slight delay, weird EQ ... something]

    the possibility exists that a missed switch could lead to
    a singer happily starting a song that no one in the house is hearing

    mh
    Last edited by mycorn; 10-12-2009 at 04:33 AM.

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    On some shows we have a wireless clip on mic that we give to the band leader /music director. This is routed into the monitor console and setup to feed all of the IEM mixes. When the director needs to call the band he just switches it on and he can talk to them. This doesn't readily allow talk back but in the shows that I am on there is only one "VOG" or director so this works out great. We usually have an additional mic at stage side L or R for the manager to talk to the band leader when necessary. Of course these microphones are never routed to the FOH.
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    ASUS P5Q-E Intel E8400 Over clocked to 3.4GHZ 4MB RAM 2 RME Digiface with PCI Card 6 ADA800
    Ruberfilter, Tapeit, Studio Reverb
    Running up to 48 channels and 12 monitors
    with 60%-70% CPU Flawless and sounding amazing.
    Glad to leave that big outboard rack in the warehouse!!

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    while i'v never seen it cause a show to go awry
    i have seen BTB use get out of hand occasionally
    when it's easy for musos to access...

    as a monitor engineer it's tempting to
    mute the system once in a while

    especially dealing with the "bit more-bit less all nite long" syndrome

    i have actually told a couple of cats
    to "shut up and play" when the boss
    turns around with that really annoyed look

    mh

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    Default Re: Muting Options at Mics

    Quote Originally Posted by mycorn View Post
    while i'v never seen it cause a show to go awry
    i have seen BTB use get out of hand occasionally
    when it's easy for musos to access...

    as a monitor engineer it's tempting to
    mute the system once in a while

    especially dealing with the "bit more-bit less all nite long" syndrome

    i have actually told a couple of cats
    to "shut up and play" when the boss
    turns around with that really annoyed look

    mh
    I agree; the band has to have discipline if they are going to talk to each other. I get tired of waiting for them to decide what to play. Fortunately most of my acts are pros and they now how to work. This is one of the reasons why I give them only one mic for a music director / leader to use as this will cut out all of the chatter.
    OGO
    SAC Configuration:
    ASUS P5Q-E Intel E8400 Over clocked to 3.4GHZ 4MB RAM 2 RME Digiface with PCI Card 6 ADA800
    Ruberfilter, Tapeit, Studio Reverb
    Running up to 48 channels and 12 monitors
    with 60%-70% CPU Flawless and sounding amazing.
    Glad to leave that big outboard rack in the warehouse!!

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    We're about to move our singers to wireless mics and I'm now trying to figure out how to do the stomp box or something similar to mute the FOH signal from the lead singer.

    Ideally, I'd like to be able to have this setup so that it uses 2 inputs within SAC. This would be setup so that 1 of the 2 inputs is always muted. So when the main FOH channel is muted, the "iems only" signal is un-muted and vice-versa.

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