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    Default Eleven Rack Standalone Editor is here!

    Avid finally made a Standalone Editor for the Eleven Rack and it's free!





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    Default Re: Eleven Rack Standalone Editor is here!

    Is no one using the Eleven Rack? It's a rather great Guitar/Bass Amp sim/Effect unit and to boot it is a great Hardware Device and it works with SawStudio Great! I love mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Microstudio View Post
    Is no one using the Eleven Rack? It's a rather great Guitar/Bass Amp sim/Effect unit and to boot it is a great Hardware Device and it works with SawStudio Great! I love mine!
    Maybe I'm a freak, but I have not yet heard any guitar modeling that I like, including the Eleven Rack. The DI sounds like a DI, and the modeling sounds like modeling. Sorry. Maybe it's the old-school thing. Maybe the kids these days have grown fond of the 'new sound'. Not me.
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Labrecque View Post
    Maybe I'm a freak, but I have not yet heard any guitar modeling that I like, including the Eleven Rack. The DI sounds like a DI, and the modeling sounds like modeling. Sorry. Maybe it's the old-school thing. Maybe the kids these days have grown fond of the 'new sound'. Not me.
    I am going to have to find a blind amp/sim test done a while ago and the judges were all old school engineers. In the end it was a wash. Even more average listeners have no clue if it's real or not. So in the end it's just personal preference in the beginning but in the end it really just comes down to the playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Microstudio View Post
    I am going to have to find a blind amp/sim test done a while ago and the judges were all old school engineers. In the end it was a wash. Even more average listeners have no clue if it's real or not. So in the end it's just personal preference in the beginning but in the end it really just comes down to the playing
    Are you saying you think anyone who thinks this guitar amp modeling stuff doesn't sound as good really couldn't tell the difference in blind testing? I don't think so. I'd be interested to see such studies if you can find them.

    I will say that some of the more extreme settings with lots of effects might slip by me, but the simple stuff (straight on distortion, which is my preference) always sounds anemic to me. In fact, you'll notice that most all the demos involve lots of distractions -- lots of effects, extreme settings, fast playing. It's hard to come by a straight-ahead, simple overdrive sound played simply in a demo clip.
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
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    I thought these were pretty good, especially for live use.

    Pretty much what your asking for, guitar not overplayed or hidden with two many effects

    http://www.overloud2.com/media/commo...Dimi_Scary.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/common/TH2/Dimi_T2.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/common/nalbantov/Amp.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/commo...HiGainwav0.wav
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    Philip G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    I thought these were pretty good, especially for live use.

    Pretty much what your asking for, guitar not overplayed or hidden with two many effects

    http://www.overloud2.com/media/commo...Dimi_Scary.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/common/TH2/Dimi_T2.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/common/nalbantov/Amp.mp3
    http://www.overloud2.com/media/commo...HiGainwav0.wav
    I agree, they're pretty good. They still feel kind of thin and balls-less to me. Better than most emulations, though. Maybe my problem with these is that these 'guitar hero' sounds are not what I like. I'm less Steve Vai and more Stevie Ray. I guess it's the not-so-hi-gain settings that are more of a challenge for emulations.
    Last edited by Dave Labrecque; 02-03-2014 at 10:21 AM.
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
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    Default Re: Eleven Rack Standalone Editor is here!

    I'm not a guitar player, but as a producer and mixer I've been very impressed with some of the tones I've been able to get using Guitar Rig and other emulations. To be sure, though, the absolute best guitar tones I've ever gotten came from good players with good chops through a good, dialed-in amp, miked with good mics and good preamps.

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    Default Re: Eleven Rack Standalone Editor is here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Labrecque View Post
    I agree, they're pretty good. They still feel kind of thin and balls-less to me. Better than most emulations, though. Maybe my problem with these is that these 'guitar hero' sounds are not what I like. I'm less Steve Vai and more Stevie Ray. I guess it's the not-so-hi-gain settings that are more of a challenge for emulations.
    Keep in mind that there is big difference between listening to something on headphones or small speakers and listening to it in context through a larger sound system.

    The real question is can these tools be used to get a tone/sound that will sit well in a mix (live or recorded).

    I have multi-track masters from Peter Gabriel's "who shot the monkey" and when you solo the individual tracks they sound like crap. Not at all what you might expect, but when mixed together it clearly works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    Keep in mind that there is big difference between listening to something on headphones or small speakers and listening to it in context through a larger sound system.

    The real question is can these tools be used to get a tone/sound that will sit well in a mix (live or recorded).

    I have multi-track masters from Peter Gabriel's "who shot the monkey" and when you solo the individual tracks they sound like crap. Not at all what you might expect, but when mixed together it clearly works.
    OK, well maybe that's it, then. As a guitar player, I'm listening for a certain esthetic aspect that's very visceral. How it sits in a mix and how it flows from your pick are two very different experiences, perhaps. When I listen to a recording of a guitar, maybe I'm hearing it differently than a non-guitar player. I don't know. I just know that whether it's listening to guitar emulation demos or playing through my Boss pedal board or a Line 6 pedal board, it's missing something compared with playing through or listening to a real tube amp (distorted or not).
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
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