Peter Olsen
Hardware: Asus Prime Z690-P D4, Intel Core i5-12600K, 8 GB ram, 500GB NVMe SSD, 2 RayDAT, 2 DSB2408 preamp/converters.
OS: Windows 10. Buffer: 1X32.
No it doesn't!
Almost nothing...
I've tried Chainer just today and it does not add any latency, nor the waves run with a latency when running in Chainer - At least I haven't noticed any!
I did a test, switch it on and off and there was no difference! So the best thing is to try it and hear it for yourself, maybe I'm wrong but.....
Also keep in mind that C6 won't work ether way!Though there are alternatives for that plugin
Last edited by operationwhat; 02-12-2018 at 12:42 PM.
Almost certainly the Waves plugin adds some latency, but only for the path where you insert it, not for anything that doesn't go through it. So, if you patch it into an inpuit channel, only THAT channel will be delayed, because, unlike SawStudio, SAC does not do delay compensation to make all channels match timing. However, if you put the plugin in a mix master output, everything through that output will be delayed. What we do not know is how MUCH it will be delayed, and with some plugins, the delay might be small enough that you won't hear it in a live PA situation.
Except that, unlike SAW which compensates, SAC does not and will not work with latency-causing plug-ins without something like Chainer. I don't remember what visible indicator a person has in SAC when such a plug-in is inserted - maybe it just ignores it and doesn't use it? - I know Bob has explained before. I just don't recall right now. But it will not work. So maybe it just appears to be working for operationwhat, but not really.
As I recall, SAC simply blocks any plugin that reports latency. What Chainer does (among other things) is prevent the latency information from getting to SAC, so that SAC doesn't KNOW about the latency. The latency is still there in whatever path the plugin occupies, moving the signal timing of that path "out of sync" with the rest of the mix.
What SAC does is prevent having a latency causing plugin from being able to add a delay that is more than the rest of the processing going on. It is a good safety measure, without which there would be all sorts of user complaints about flanging, phase cancellation and other problems. If a user then deliberately defeats that protection by using something like chainer, there can be no doubt about the responsibility for resultant unwanted audio artifacts.
Put another way, what Bob did with this prevention feature was implement a brilliantly conceived "misunderstanding filter", a class of object that includes locks on doors and fences between yards. (The philosophical construct that I have named "misunderstanding filter" was my response to the intent of Robert Frost's poem "Mending Wall", and was inspired by my father's teaching that "Locks are to keep honest people out".)
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