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    Default What is the best way to interface SAC to a Yamaha M7CL?

    Hi everyone,

    It has been a long time since I have been on the forum. We have just started live streaming the church services at our church, and are having a rough time trying to mix the live stream audio on an ipad using the M7CL software. I would like to find a way to interface SAC to the system and run a completely separate mix. The M7CL does not have direct outs to tie into, and so I am looking to build a SAC rig that can intercept the analog snake before it gets to the console, and allow me to create two totally separate systems from the same mic feeds. My previous SAC rig was built with ADA8000s and RME interface card. I am looking for something that does not involve ADAT optical interfaces, and I need at least 48 channels. I have been researching AES-50 and DANTE, but am having trouble finding a cost effective hardware setup that will do what I need. Any suggestions?

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    You will need some preamps in front of SAC, if you want a completely separate system, and if you don't want to uses ADAT, the most cost effective is probably the Yamaha TIO box. It has Dante out, and you could probably get away with using the Dante Virtuel Soundcard, if the extra latency doesn't matter.
    Peter Olsen

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    Default Re: What is the best way to interface SAC to a Yamaha M7CL?

    ...contact Yamaha's DANTE personnel for the details....
    as far as I remember you can connect all this toget
    her


    Dante PCIe card
    http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global...e_accelerator/

    3xDante preamps
    https://www.audinate.com/dante-enabl...a-tio1608-d-io

    to connect all just use a network switch


    Cheers,
    Nik

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    Default Re: What is the best way to interface SAC to a Yamaha M7CL?

    Dante enabled Preamps probably are your best bet these days. A few things to keep in mind.

    1. If your SAC mix is just for Broadcast then you don't need a PCI card or other Dante hardware interface. Dante Virtual Sound card should work fine since a bit of extra latency won't be an issue.
    2. The TIO 1608 is by far the more reasonably priced unit but you could also use the RIO units as well. Which could be your 1st step towards replacing the M7 with a CL or QL console down the road.
    3. You'll need to use the Yamaha software to remote control the preamps.
    4. The Dante cards for the M7 are not inexpensive and frankly at this point in time I think it's a waste of money to put more money into a console that you'll want to get rid of a in a few years. But at least those cards will probably hold their value and you could sell them off. Keep in mind you don't need these Dante cards for Yamaha's new consoles.
    5. The Dante cards for the M7 only allow for 16 channels of I/O to and from the M7 console. So you'll probably need 3 of those Dante cards for the M7 if you want to use all 48 inputs on the M7 via Dante.
    6. The M7 does have direct outputs on each input channel. You just don't get a physical jack on the back of the console. So you could do the split inside the M7 using any form of digital output card available on the M7 to get the feed into your SAC mixing computer. That could be ADAT or Dante or whatever you like. It could save you a few bucks by continuing to use the M7 for the preamps and just send the direct outs via digital to SAC. It all depends on how you want to do it.
    7. The M7 has famously mediocre sounding preamps, so not going the route in number 7 above will likely sound much better. Depends on how much you want to spend.
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    Default Re: What is the best way to interface SAC to a Yamaha M7CL?

    FEW MORE OPTIONS

    Yamaha PCI Dante Card is is 64I/O 1.130 Eur

    Ferrofish Verto32 is another way 990 Eur 32ch I/O Dante, ADAT... so if you have a RME PCI card around you could take advantage of!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfGq16odNR8

    RME Digiface Dante 1.230 Eur 64 I/O Dante + 64 I/O MADI, USB3 ,
    http://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/digiface_dante.php

    Check them all out!
    Last edited by operationwhat; 08-28-2018 at 03:25 PM.

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    https://appsys.ch/en/products/digita...iverter-mvr-64
    (nearly) everything to everything :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomyN View Post
    https://appsys.ch/en/products/digita...iverter-mvr-64
    (nearly) everything to everything :-)
    We all know about Multiverter but it is expensive!!! Anyway...is it just a converter or a usb card too??
    How do you control the preaps using the Multiverter, when using digico,

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    Default Re: What is the best way to interface SAC to a Yamaha M7CL?

    I went with Dante a few years ago and never looked back. I did an experiment with SAC, DVS, and a laptop. Sac saw the channels from DVS and it worked just fine.


    Quote Originally Posted by RBIngraham View Post
    Dante enabled Preamps probably are your best bet these days. A few things to keep in mind.

    1. If your SAC mix is just for Broadcast then you don't need a PCI card or other Dante hardware interface. Dante Virtual Sound card should work fine since a bit of extra latency won't be an issue.
    2. The TIO 1608 is by far the more reasonably priced unit but you could also use the RIO units as well. Which could be your 1st step towards replacing the M7 with a CL or QL console down the road.
    3. You'll need to use the Yamaha software to remote control the preamps.
    4. The Dante cards for the M7 are not inexpensive and frankly at this point in time I think it's a waste of money to put more money into a console that you'll want to get rid of a in a few years. But at least those cards will probably hold their value and you could sell them off. Keep in mind you don't need these Dante cards for Yamaha's new consoles.
    5. The Dante cards for the M7 only allow for 16 channels of I/O to and from the M7 console. So you'll probably need 3 of those Dante cards for the M7 if you want to use all 48 inputs on the M7 via Dante.
    6. The M7 does have direct outputs on each input channel. You just don't get a physical jack on the back of the console. So you could do the split inside the M7 using any form of digital output card available on the M7 to get the feed into your SAC mixing computer. That could be ADAT or Dante or whatever you like. It could save you a few bucks by continuing to use the M7 for the preamps and just send the direct outs via digital to SAC. It all depends on how you want to do it.
    7. The M7 has famously mediocre sounding preamps, so not going the route in number 7 above will likely sound much better. Depends on how much you want to spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Follett View Post
    I went with Dante a few years ago and never looked back. I did an experiment with SAC, DVS, and a laptop. Sac saw the channels from DVS and it worked just fine.
    Do you have any latency issues with the DVS? Are you running SAC for FOH and MM or just for a broadcast mix?

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