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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by dbarrow View Post
    Does anyone have a suggestion for a multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ that works with SAC (zero latency)? That might be yet another solution.
    The built-in EQ in SAC is already fully parametric as is the EQ plugin that comes with the software.
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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    The built-in EQ in SAC is already fully parametric as is the EQ plugin that comes with the software.
    Yes, I use that all the time, but it isn't a multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ.

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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by dbarrow View Post
    Yes, I use that all the time, but it isn't a multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ.
    What is your definition of dynamic EQ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    What is your definition of dynamic EQ?
    This describes it:

    https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/how-to-use-dynamic-eq-in-mastering.html

    iZotope, Waves, FabFilters, Melda, etc. all make various forms of these.

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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by dbarrow View Post
    Does anyone have a suggestion for a multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ that works with SAC (zero latency)? That might be yet another solution.
    Have a look at the Sonoris MB Compressor. https://www.sonorissoftware.com/inde...nd-compressor/


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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    There are plenty of 3rd party Plug-ins that work just fine. Clearly they need to be vetted for stability but there are lots that work without any issue and there is Zero reason not to use them.

    3rd party shades are also nothing to worry about, they are nothing more than graphics templates and shouldn't have any affect on stability.
    Yes, fair enough. In my example above I was taking stability to the extreme and I should have mentioned that. There are many things that contribute to a stable, smooth-running system.


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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by Naturally Digital View Post
    Have a look at the Sonoris MB Compressor. https://www.sonorissoftware.com/inde...nd-compressor/
    I did a search for "zero latency multi band compressor" and found this:
    https://www.fabfilter.com/products/p...ressor-plug-in

    I already have this and use it in Pro Tools. I may try the VST version in SAC. Has anyone else tried it? I don't necessarily need it, but it might be another tool that solves some live sound problem that comes up.

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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by dbarrow View Post
    This describes it:

    https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/how-to-use-dynamic-eq-in-mastering.html

    iZotope, Waves, FabFilters, Melda, etc. all make various forms of these.
    The dynamic EQ described in the link is a tool for mastering. Its not a particularly good tool for live sound, and its a really poor tool for trying to compensate for deficiencies in a live sound rig.

    Not the right tool for the job at hand. Even a Multiband compressor is not really a very good tool for compensating for the deficiencies in the Bose L1.

    Your experiencing two things.

    1. A limit to the amount headroom available do to the limited amount of amplification of the system.
    2. A heavily constrained speaker configuration that by design requires a huge amount of processing.

    2.5" speakers, even if you have 20 of them in an array, simply don't push much air and have a very limited frequency response.

    What your describing as boxy is a characteristic of the speaker design. It is a fixed transform that doesn't change with source material.

    A dynamic EQ is a tool used to try and fix issues in an already finalized mix specifically because there isn't access to fix the actual mix.

    If the person doing the mastering could simply adjust the offending track they would never use a dynamic EQ.
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    Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by cgrafx View Post
    The dynamic EQ described in the link is a tool for mastering. Its not a particularly good tool for live sound, and its a really poor tool for trying to compensate for deficiencies in a live sound rig.
    .........
    What your describing as boxy is a characteristic of the speaker design. It is a fixed transform that doesn't change with source material.

    A dynamic EQ is a tool used to try and fix issues in an already finalized mix specifically because there isn't access to fix the actual mix.

    If the person doing the mastering could simply adjust the offending track they would never use a dynamic EQ.
    cgrafx - Really well said!
    That being said.... Dell, when you do need a dynamic EQ, I suggest:
    https://www.sonalksis.com/dq1-dynamic-eq.html
    Extremely versatile, good sounding, and has 'zero' latency too.

    On the other hand, if you're looking for a great multi-band compressor - Waves C-4 is very nice!
    And the C-4 is 80% off right now - for only $29!!
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  10. Default Re: Using a compressor on the ouput

    Quote Originally Posted by dbarrow View Post
    Does anyone have a suggestion for a multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ that works with SAC (zero latency)? That might be yet another solution.
    I'm have been the Wavearts Multidynamics https://wavearts.com/products/plugins/multidynamics/ on just about all my SAC mixes for the last 5-7 years. It's the stable and works great with SAC - and it sounds great.
    Having said that I really don't think you can fix the "bad" sound of those Bose speakers with any kind of EQ ...
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