OT: JUCE!

[mr_es335]

Good day,

Well the day has finally arrived...and this posting is to shed some light on the serious downsides of JUCE.

Two of the primary plug-in developers that I currently use namely, Valhalla and Overloud, both use JUCE for their plug-in development.

So, go to the "'net" and ask the question, "JUCE and VST2" and see what you get. The results are not great and possibly explain why I am experiencing certain issues that I with the software developed under this "platform". It would appear that due to Steinberg's deprecation of VST2, JUCE - at least for the time being, is placing VST2's "in a wrapper" of some sort. Whatever this wrapper is, this wrapper-usage is producing some some rather negative results in the interim.

Now, using the plugin "as is" does not appear to produce any apparent irregularities...but use "Scenes" - and sadly, "...all hell breaks loose!" For example, no preset name updates, plug-in stalls,and so on. As noted in a previous posting, talking with the developers gets you absolutely nowhere. "Passing the buck..." sadly comes to mind here.

As to why such situations are occurring I am sadly - unable to adequately explain. Not being "a real programmer" prohibits me from ascertaining the specifics. All that I can say is that prior to JUCE - all is OK...post JUCE - and "mayhem!!"

So, for us SAC/SAW users, I guess finding out what "platform" the developers are using may be wise. Some are quick to take your money, but post purchase, it can really "suck!"

PS: From what I have been able to ascertain as well, VST3 appears to mostly applicable to VSTi's and automation capabilities - but again, I may be completely "out to lunch" here.

Update: 08/30/23!!
As the result of an interesting and somewhat lengthy conversation today...I am abandoning "JUCE" - unless it the grape juice that comes in comes in a bottle!

[Angie]

Two of the primary plug-in developers that I currently use namely, Valhalla and Overloud, both use JUCE for their plug-in development.

How were you able to find this information?

I think it would be helpful to know what each company is using before deciding to purchase a plugin.

[mr_es335]

Angie,

I will endeavour to answer your question,...

Q: How were you able to find this information?
A: Navigate to https://juce.com/
• Bottom of page, see "Companies Using JUCE"
• Valhalla DSP IS listed, but NOT Overloud.

In those situations where the specific company is NOT listed, then contacting that developer and asking them if they use JUCE and if so...

1) To what extent do they employ JUCE?
2) What version of JUCE are they employing?
• This is what I had to do with Overloud.

Mirax also employs JUCE v7 - and as such, vstPlayer is exhibiting the very same anomalies as with Valhalla and TH-U!
• "Bummer, man!" That is over $400.00 down the drain!

You stated, "I think it would be helpful to know what each company is using before deciding to purchase a plugin." ... and you are absolutely correct here!!
• As a point-of-interest, I have yet to see SAW listed as a potential DAW for many of the plug-in offerings! Why is this?

Interestingly, JUCE 5 did not appear to exhibit any of the anomalies tat I am presently experiencing with v7.

Hope this helps?