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    Default SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Good day,
    I hope that this day finds you all very well!

    I am very curious to know how many of you:

    a) Launch SAW,
    [or SAC, for that matter...] by opening a data file [.edl or .mxs]? ...or...
    b) Launch a data file [.edl or .mxs], which, in turn, launches the associated application [SAW or SAC]?

    Also, if you happen to chose methodology one-over-the-other, I would be very curious to know why you have done so.

    For-your-interest...and just-in-case you happened to be unaware of this point, the first [a], is referred to "App_Centric", and the second [b], is referred to as "Docu-Centric".

    Thank you for your time and attention to the above. Both are very much appreciated!

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    I most often launch saw - then (more often than not) use the recent session menu to select what edl I want to open.

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Quote Originally Posted by jmh View Post
    I most often launch saw - then (more often than not) use the recent session menu to select what edl I want to open.
    Yup...

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    I most often launch saw - then (more often than not) use the recent session menu to select what edl I want to open.
    +1

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Quote Originally Posted by jmh View Post
    I most often launch saw - then (more often than not) use the recent session menu to select what edl I want to open.
    also +1
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    Default 1Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Good day,
    I hope that the day finds you all very well!

    A couple of "things" should be mentioned here...

    1) My question #1: "Is there anything necessary right-or-wrong with either of the aforementioned methodologies?"
    * Your response #1:

    2)
    My question #2: Just because the majority of folks employ a particular methodology - should that infer correctness?"
    * Your response #2:

    3) For as long as I have been working with computers, I have never employed any application - other than SAW|SAC, that is, wherein I employ the File option for launching subsequent "files".
    * I have always exited the previous "file" - which in turn exists the "parent application", launching a
    subsequent "file" - whether that "file" be the same "type" of "file" of not...say Word, Excel...or whatever!
    * In short, I very seldom...if ever...employ the app-centric methodology for the launching-and-exiting of "file data".!

    4) Which brings me to my final question [#3], "Is there a potential 'issue' with the launching of SAW|SAC via the docu-centric method?" "If so, what might those issues be?"
    * Your response #3:

    Thank you for your time...appreciated!

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    Default Re: 1Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_es335 View Post

    4) Which brings me to my final question [#3], "Is there a potential 'issue' with the launching of SAW|SAC via the docu-centric method?" "If so, what might those issues be?"

    In certain workflows it is probably better. Although once the initial edl open, it may be a bit faster to then utilize the menus to open subsequent documents as some portions of saw may not have to reinitialize, open dlls...

    In my ahk script writing, I may be getting to the point of opening as many or more edls than anyone. Saw can get a bit funky sometimes and benefit from a restart. It also keeps a file lock on certain files from previous edls and the only way to clear that is to close the application. I am also modifying them in somewhat unconventional ways - but they either work or don't.

    BTW the automated Recent-Session to build-mix(es) is coming along great. I've gotten sidetracked getting the replaygain calculation from lame which will then be used to normalize the bulk of the recording to some lower level like -12 dB. Then I will run it through another edl that can do a few things like levelizer-peak-limit any spurious peaks, then normalize to -1, then run lame to make the real mp3s. Not real masters - but good enough for a effortless mixdown of tracks you have worked on to preview in the car...

    Anyway, your thread has given an idea that since the script already reads recent-session, it is trivial to have saw launch into the last edl, or be sitting at open recent-session - or both.

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    I usually do like the others, though sometimes if I'm moving around in Windows File Explorer, I'll open an EDL directly from the file.
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
    Becket, Massachusetts

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    Default Re: 1Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_es335 View Post
    Good day,
    I hope that the day finds you all very well!

    A couple of "things" should be mentioned here...

    1) My question #1: "Is there anything necessary right-or-wrong with either of the aforementioned methodologies?"
    * Your response #1:
    Actually, your wording in the OP sounds like it's describing the same thing. But I think you mean A) open a SAW session from the data file or B) open SAW/SAC/MWS and then open the data file from within the program. Anyway, my answer to question 1), here, is no. Either approach can be useful depending on the user's current work-flow moment.

    2) My question #2: Just because the majority of folks employ a particular methodology - should that infer correctness?"
    * Your response #2:
    Infer means deduce, not imply. I think you mean "should that imply correctness?" or "should I infer correctness from the popularity of that methodology?" The answer depends on your definition of correctness. Correctness usually is based on an agreed-upon standard. But if, instead, you decide that correctness should be determined simply by majority or consensus, then there you have it.

    3) For as long as I have been working with computers, I have never employed any application - other than SAW|SAC, that is, wherein I employ the File option for launching subsequent "files".
    * I have always exited the previous "file" - which in turn exists the "parent application", launching a
    subsequent "file" - whether that "file" be the same "type" of "file" of not...say Word, Excel...or whatever!
    * In short, I very seldom...if ever...employ the app-centric methodology for the launching-and-exiting of "file data".!
    Ironic, because SAW may be one of the only programs with which you are not penalized (much) for taking the "docu-centric" approach. Many programs (most?) eat more time with all the needed opening and closing than if you just keep the program open and use the File menu. Of course, then you may have to go find the file. So there's that. That's where Recently Opened Files comes in.

    4) Which brings me to my final question [#3], "Is there a potential 'issue' with the launching of SAW|SAC via the docu-centric method?" "If so, what might those issues be?"
    * Your response #3:
    A) time to open and close SAW/SAC/MWS, though, as I said, not so bad
    B) can't think of any more

    Potential advantage: if you're in File Explorer and launching SAW from an EDL file for which the paths for assets have changed (happens to me all the time when going back to older sessions--especially archival stuff), you're in a much better position, visually, to try to track down those assets for the needed repathing or, God forbid, renaming. It can be a PITA to have to navigate to the session path in a fresh File Explorer instance (which is often the case using the "app-centric" approach when opening an EDL whose audio or video file links are out-dated).
    Last edited by Dave Labrecque; 04-01-2025 at 12:03 PM.
    Dave "it aint the heat, it's the humidity" Labrecque
    Becket, Massachusetts

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    Default Re: SOT: "Docu-Centric" versus "App-Centric"

    Driving your points home with emphasis by posting twice, eh, Dave?


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