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Old 03-09-2010, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: Request: Disable Left+Right Click

our pal bob has created a huge conundrum...

he's made an incredibly powerful piece of kit
available/affordable to the masses

if you bought an XL8 you probably wouldn care about
sending your 2 hotshot techs to midas school
as you just spent a quarter mil on a desk

and your lay-reader will probably not
ever hit the power switch

similarly just because someone is aware of how
to turn on a PC doesnt mean they should be trying to fly a sac session

it's about education

if your operator cant understand it
you need another operator
...or a 16ch mixwizard

granted my POV is slanted

i'v done audio and/or been a muso for most of 45 years

like ramsey
i dont want/need "safties" asking me if i'm sure i want to do something

personally i think the authors coding efforts are best spent elsewhere...

fwiw

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Old 03-09-2010, 08:12 AM
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The Saturn V "moon" rockets were some of most complicated systems ever made by man. It's a good thing they didn't clutter up the controls with an "Abort" switch. Those rocket scientists all know what they're doing.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:50 AM
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The Saturn V "moon" rockets were some of most complicated systems ever made by man. It's a good thing they didn't clutter up the controls with an "Abort" switch. Those rocket scientists all know what they're doing.
Kinda like no way to releave them selves after waiting to launch from the pad after three hours ( just go in the suit!) yeh they where on the ball on that one.

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Old 03-09-2010, 10:52 AM
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Kinda like no way to releave them selves after waiting to launch from the pad after three hours ( just go in the suit!) yeh they where on the ball on that one.

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Old 03-09-2010, 09:22 PM
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I also pretty much dislike both options.

an analogy
you find yourself having difficulty with parallel parking, do you:
1. find an empty parking lot & practice
2. look for angled parking and avoid parallel parking
3. petition the city to remove parallel parking

I don't mean to seem like an a**, but I am passionate about the concept of NOT restricting functions or cluttering up the controls with lots of safeties...it's supposed to be fast, powerful, & designed for professional use. Full throttle on everything should IMHO remain the default 'out of the box' feature set. Options to turn anything/everything off can be added for those who need it if Bob has the time & interest to do so, I'm fine with that, but the fact remains that we as professionals are supposed to pay attention and know how our tools work. That's what creates safety in any workplace
So, Maybe the people driving the Toyota Prius accidentally hit the left-right peddle combination?

Like I said in my last post that I highly doubt is going away and I like just as much as you do. But the fact remains that users new and old could hit it accidentally. I may be nice if every system was setup professionally but that just won't always be the case. I happen to feel that dragging it closer first to within range of zero wouldn't be much of a change but I'm good with whatever Bob does. You only make that mistake once.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:02 PM
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You only make that mistake once.
-srm
Or you do it repeatedly quite by accident while outdoors in 20 degree weather because you're wearing gloves and the right click clicks too easily... I may know somebody who had that happen to him a few times. I, I mean He, should have figured out quicker to pull the input attenuator down so unity wasn't a major feedback issue.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:55 AM
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Or you do it repeatedly quite by accident while outdoors in 20 degree weather because you're wearing gloves and the right click clicks too easily... I may know somebody who had that happen to him a few times. I, I mean He, should have figured out quicker to pull the input attenuator down so unity wasn't a major feedback issue.
Or, you don't get a very good sleep on the tour bus, then you have to work all day, and then... SHOWTIME! The lights go out, and you start to get verrrrrry sleeeeepy.... And you wake up when you accidentally blast something thru the PA.

This has never happened to me, mind you...

I've not suggested eliminating the left/right click feature - I, too, find it very useful in certain circumstances. But I would like to be able to disable it when I choose.

Ira
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:08 AM
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Its hard to believe you can do this so easily by accident... sounds like your mouse settings need adjusting... in fact... when I train people on SAW and SAC, it actually seems to take quite a number of them a little practice time to actually learn to chord the mouse in this manner.

In the ten years since SAWStudio introduced this function I personally have never done it by accident once... and I have an awful lot of hours of use into that program.

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Old 03-10-2010, 11:24 AM
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In the ten years since SAWStudio introduced this function I personally have never done it by accident once... and I have an awful lot of hours of use into that program.

Bob L
You're obviously getting plenty of sleep...

And hot dogs...
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Old 03-10-2010, 02:47 PM
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I've always liked the left right click for instantly zeroing things in SAW and for somethings like pans and others, but I don't think it is ever necessary to instantly unity a fader in a live situation. And it is very easy to hit both at the same time, happens to me a lot.. you tend to rest your finger on the right click button because it's well, right there under your finger, and when you're always holding down or using the left click button, it's not hard to imagine accidentally right clicking at the same time. I think it would be a good idea to remove that function from just the faders as far as SAC is concerned. Ctrl click would be more than ideal for the faders. I'm not hung up on it.. just throwing out my opinion about it.
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