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    Exclamation Is the Game Over?

    Thus this is not certainly a Sac Clone, it is something very light, modular, small and powerful, too.

    What do you think about it?

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X32-CORE.aspx

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    Default Re: Is the Game Over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio_Labs View Post
    Thus this is not certainly a Sac Clone, it is something very light, modular, small and powerful, too.

    What do you think about it?

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X32-CORE.aspx
    Actually, I was *way* more impressed with the action at the Soundcraft NAMM booth. They just introduced the SoundCraft Si Expression 1, Si Expression 2, and Si Expression 3 digital consoles. Featuring motorized faders and lots of neat controls (including iPad app integration for touch-screen display), they start at $3,000 (list).

    At one time I thought someone else would write a piece of software that would compete with SAC. At this time, it's obvious to me that the real competition to SAC will be this new wave of low-cost digital boards coming down the pike. Sure, an Si Expression board won't have all the features of a decent SAC system; but the people in the market for a low-cost digital board aren't really going to care.

    It will be interesting to see how the market for a software-based LAW shapes up with the onslaught of all these new digital consoles. SAC has won big time in the past because you simply couldn't do anything digital for a small amount of money. The StudioLive console was the first crack in the dam; but that board is sufficiently low-end that SAC probably wasn't affected too much. The Behringer X32 came along and was a very interesting device, but it still has "Behringer" on the name plate. The GLD and Midas Pro1/Pro2 came along, but they were still on the slightly expensive side. Now, however, with boards in the $3,000 range from a respected manufacturer, I suspect SAC's marketing will be a bit tougher.
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    Wow, I could see this X32 in a rack being popular with the installer market... except of course for the name plate which is usually a No, No in the installed sound market. But it could be cool for the museum or similar type install that is a fixed mix or only a few things ever get changed.
    Richard B. Ingraham
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    Problem is, you have to buy the S16s. If these things are priced at $999 (which is what's rumored), you'd have the same money in it as buying the whole X32.
    SAC Host: Custom built i3 / Gigabyte based rackmount PC, MOTU 424/2408(2), Profire2626(4),. up to. on up to 6 monitor mixers.WinXP Home.
    Plugins/Processing: RML, Antares, ReaPlugs. Recording with Reaper.
    System Load - 25-30%, at 1x32

    99% of the time, things that aren't being done aren't because they don't work. The other 1% is split evenly between fools and geniuses.
    BE your sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Evans View Post
    Problem is, you have to buy the S16s. If these things are priced at $999 (which is what's rumored), you'd have the same money in it as buying the whole X32.
    The cost is not the issue. Having no controls to be messed with is the selling point. Simplicity. I will sell these to churches and schools who want it to turn on, work without human interaction, and then turn off.

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    I agree with that market. It would be cheaper than say, an Ashly protea 24.24 (with all expansion cards) and you get more channels.

    One big thing in environments like that, though, is some kind of control interface. Usually this can be handled with decora plate controllers (Ashly WR-5, for instance). This product has MIDI, so perhaps something could be rigged up... then there's always the iThing interface.

    It'll be interesting to see where it goes.
    SAC Host: Custom built i3 / Gigabyte based rackmount PC, MOTU 424/2408(2), Profire2626(4),. up to. on up to 6 monitor mixers.WinXP Home.
    Plugins/Processing: RML, Antares, ReaPlugs. Recording with Reaper.
    System Load - 25-30%, at 1x32

    99% of the time, things that aren't being done aren't because they don't work. The other 1% is split evenly between fools and geniuses.
    BE your sound.

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    Actually looks like there is an entire product line now based around the X32.

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products...mily-page.html

    So that little box is the smaller rack mount toy.. another has a screen that looks like you could actually do something with it, just short of mixer perhaps and it has some I/O.

    I could see these being fairly popular to work as a sound card for computer playback situations while also allowing some small mixing tasks and doing all or almost all the system processing and routing.

    I agree that Behringer just ate Ashley's lunch in the installed church sound market.. or the set it and forget it sound market kind of thing...
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    On the "useful for SAC" front... Soundcraft has also introduced this:
    http://www.soundcraft.com/news/news_...type=1&nid=670

    Low cost MADI stage box. 32 in x 8 analog + 4 AES stero.
    Jim King
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBIngraham View Post
    Actually looks like there is an entire product line now based around the X32.

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products...mily-page.html

    So that little box is the smaller rack mount toy.. another has a screen that looks like you could actually do something with it, just short of mixer perhaps and it has some I/O.

    I could see these being fairly popular to work as a sound card for computer playback situations while also allowing some small mixing tasks and doing all or almost all the system processing and routing.

    I agree that Behringer just ate Ashley's lunch in the installed church sound market.. or the set it and forget it sound market kind of thing...
    They are all X32s inside. The smallest has no pres and is designed for install market. I like it. I will sell these to schools. The teachers can use the GUI and not have any controls getting jacked with. The larger one has 16 inputs. This is right in line with Symetrix. I do these kinds of things all the time, setting people up with a computer controlled system with no physical controls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssrsound View Post
    On the "useful for SAC" front... Soundcraft has also introduced this:
    http://www.soundcraft.com/news/news_...type=1&nid=670

    Low cost MADI stage box. 32 in x 8 analog + 4 AES stero.
    I don't see why this would be that great of a deal. You have to have a way to control it. It connects to the mixers via their MADI cards. The mixers control the units and the apps control the mixers, not the break out boxes directly.

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